“It’s astonishing how similar everyone’s editorial problems are”: A Conversation with Allison K Williams
In this conversation with the author of ‘Seven Drafts,’ Andrea A. Firth chats with Allison K Williams about praise, feedback, editing concepts, and more.
Andrea A. Firth: You go by the moniker The Unkind Editor. Harsh?
AF: —why seven separate drafts?
AF: What inspired you to write this book?
AF: You have a BA in drama and an MFA in playwriting. You’ve worked as a stage actor, director, playwright, circus/street performer, fire eater, and aerialist. Quite a résumé. How has your background contributed to your work as an editor?
Why am I in this scene?
AF: You include a total of 132 footnotes in the book! Here’s one of my favorites: “Some critics talk about male vs female plot structures. A slow build to a single climax protagonist is ‘male.’ Interlocking story structures with multiple protagonists and multiple climaxes are ‘female’—get it?”
Why so many footnotes?
AF: How do you recommend a writer approach and use your book?
What is the most challenging part of writing my book? What feedback do I keep getting that I don’t know how to fix?
AF: What if I suck? The thought crosses every writer’s mind.
AF: The word suck serves as an acronym in draft #2: Story. What does suck mean then?
AW: S-U-C-K is what your book must have at the start. Something Simple, Unexpected, and Concrete that Kicks off the story.
Take the beginning of Jeannette Walls’s memoir The Glass Castle. The narrator is riding in a taxi dressed for a night out. She sees her mother rooting through a garbage bin and keeps going.
Simple: She’s in a taxi going out.
Unexpected: That’s mom routing through garbage on the street!
Concrete: Nice clothes, taxi, mom, garbage.
Kick off: How did I come to be the person who sees her mom digging in a garbage bin and doesn’t stop?
AF: You talk about the importance of mystery in both fiction and nonfiction. How is it essential?
AW: Writers often overexplain because they are worried that the reader won’t get the story; this comes back to showing versus telling. By giving clues, showing through actions without directly connecting all the dots, the reader leans in and looks more carefully. Some telling is good. The bad side of telling is when the reader leans back and crosses her arms mentally, because she knows what’s going to happen. You need to maintain some mystery.
AF: How can the writer be faithful to her own truth while treating others in the book fairly?
AW: It’s important, particularly in memoir, for the narrator to recognize her weaknesses and lay that on the page. Also remember that the villain is the hero of her own story too. Here’s a powerful exercise: In the second or third draft, rewrite a couple of chapters from the perspective of the villain in the story. What is she angry and frustrated about? What makes her feel bad about how the narrator or protagonist is behaving? The more you can introduce those elements, the more the reader comes to understand both characters. When you make the villain universally bad, it makes the writer look weak.
AF: Draft #3: Character. Why do readers attach to a character, and how does the writer achieve this?
AW: There’s a concept called character zero. This ties back to my years of doing improv and theater. Character zero is a pose an actor strikes when he first enters the stage, which shows the audience something about him. Each time a character walks into a book, we need to get an immediate sense of the person. You don’t have to describe every detail of his appearance or give a play-by-play of his entrance; you choose these details selectively. For example, a man enters a bar, puts a cigarette in his mouth, strikes a match on his shoe, and lights up. We’ve learned something about the time period, his age, and his habits. Each time he enters the book, you add on more layers of detail. As the character becomes more rounded, more real, the reader becomes attached.
AF: After each draft, you advise the writer to let the manuscript rest for a week. Why?
AW: For at least a week, and honestly much longer. When you write, your brain is filling in all the stuff that’s not on the page. When you walk away from the manuscript for a week or two or six, you clear away the extra information and context that your brain has been autofilling. Then you can look at the text and see what is missing.
AF: How do you get useful, actionable feedback when you share your book with a friend or beta-reader?
AW: People are afraid to hurt your feelings, so I find it helpful to give them a list of questions. Start off with “What did you like about the book?” Then get specific. Ask: “Where did you find yourself skimming or feeling like you already knew what was going on?” “Which character did you find annoying?” Ask questions that invite negative answers. This makes it easier for the reader to criticize the work.
AF: When do you recommend that a writer pay for a professional editor?
AW: First, when you’re at the stage where you are sending out the book and agents are saying no. You’re getting form rejections and you don’t know why. Another option might be if you prefer to spend money more than invest time; a professional edit can speed up the process.
AF: You’ve written the book about writing a book. What’s next?
AW: Next is the book of my heart, a young adult novel that I’ve been working on for several years. And I have a book on self-publishing, author platforms, and social media in progress too.
AF: Any other advice for the writer?
AW: Improv! All writers should take an improv class. You don’t have to want to be funny; you don’t have to be funny. In fact it’s better if you are not, but go take an improv class. It will make you a better writer.
Andrea A. Firth is a writer, journalist, and educator based in the San Francisco Bay Area. After 20-plus years writing about medicine, healthcare, education and the arts, she received an MFA in Creative Nonfiction Writing from Saint Mary’s College of California. She is the cofounder of the Diablo Writers’ Workshop, where she teaches creative writing. She also teaches design thinking and life design at Saint Mary’s College. Her recent essays have been published in The Coachella Review, Motherwell, and The Bold Italic, among others.
In this conversation with the author of ‘Seven Drafts,’ Andrea A. Firth chats with Allison K Williams about praise, feedback, editing concepts, and more.
In this conversation with the author of ‘Seven Drafts,’ Andrea A. Firth chats with Allison K Williams about praise, feedback, editing concepts, and more.
In this conversation with the author of ‘Seven Drafts,’ Andrea A. Firth chats with Allison K Williams about praise, feedback, editing concepts, and more.